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Baltar: What ultimately motivates him?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both attributes being things Iblis claims to have. Interesting, EP. Do go on.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there's not much else to add further on that IMO. I would probably ultimately lean more to "omniscent" but not "omnipotent" and that for Baltar, Iblis could manipulate that to his own ends. But there are areas where Iblis is "omnipotent" if he has direct control over those who have freely given themselves to him. So he's totally omniscient but only narrowly omnipotent.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that the basis you worked from in your Derelict story?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe Baltar seeks some sort of divinity. Sitting on this high chair with Cylons consulting him (like the Imperious Leader) is a very oracle, God-like like appearance already. Baltar also isnít seeking out to destroy ALL mankind (those are the Cylons intentions). Wasnít his initial deal with the Cylons to save the ones from his Colony so he could ultimately rule those without interference of the other Colonies?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was Baltar's original scheme, yes. Now, he serves them in order to survive. And, to get his revenge on Adama, who he blames for lousing up his plan for revenge on the Cylons.
As for Iblis, he is a psychotic megalomaniac. He wants power, and no amount of power is ever enough for him. He obviously is behind the war with the Cylons, although his reasons for wanting to wipe out Humanity were never explored sufficiently. He obviously has delusions of godhood, and would make himself lord of the universe if he could.
A majorly bad dude.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible that Iblis is the original, first Imperious Leader, who led the Cylon race into 1,000 Yahren War with the Colonials. He would have created the robotic race. It explains the same voice and some details he mentioned.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least his voice was used. I somehow doubt that a race of reptiles would have voices that sound so very Human. That they (ILs and above) do, and that the Leader's voice is Iblis' makes his part in instigating the war a near-certainty.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Iblis as someone who took the form of a living Cylon and gave one side the key to winning a Civil War by developing the centurion robot, and the robots ultimately destroyed their characters and chose to revere Iblis by making his voice the voice for all Imperious Leaders. Just as Iblis says in WOTG, they "transcribed the voice and placed it in the essence of the first machine leader a thousand yahrens ago."

You would then ask, would Iblis in the form of a living Cylon sounded the same way? I say yes, since after all we can't assume living Cylons talked differently. They certainly would not have talked like the robots did!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You raise a good point, EP. One might at first expect a reptilian race to have voices unlike Human ones. The fact that the Cylons used Iblis' for the voice of their Imperious Leader, and Human ones for all above the Centurion level, says something about his influence over the organic Cylons. If the original Cylons sounded like us, then they were far more intriguing than the label "reptiles" might otherwise imply.
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