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Athena: How do you see her?
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LZaza



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, but almost dichotomous. After all, if Athena only associates the idea of God as being "just", then she clearly believes in God as something that she has preconceived notions about. And if that is the case, how can she be an aitheist? I don't quite follow the reasoning here. But then, perhaps I'm more pragmatic than your idea of Athena. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To her, I'd see it as a case where the Destruction has shattered her whole conceptions of how the Universe functions and now she's decided on a new conception of how the Universe functions, one in which its the Colonial version of Darwinian chance and survival of the fittest that explains how any humans left alive will survive at this point and not the result of Divine protection.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I see it as a case where everything that has happened has just caused her to shut down that part of things. It's not that she's an "atheist", or has opted for "Colonial Darwinism." To me, sh'e just doesn't think about it at all, one way or the other. It has become unimportant to her, and she doesn't spare any thought for it, one way or the other.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She may not think deeply about it, but on a superficial level that's the doctrine I think she's embraced, in the same way one could say her faith before that was too superficial to begin with in not being deep enough to survive a tragedy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes sense. A generation that had lost touch with their faith. Really, other than Adama, I can't really think of any main character off hand that was portrayed as being especially devout.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apollo I think became so, after the loss of Serina.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't recall that. Any particular scene you're thinking of? I know Apollo was certainly well versed in the teachings, as would make sense with a devout father (thinking of War of the Gods here), but I don't remember him expressing the same spirituality as his father did. Not saying it's not possible, if one was developing the character in that direction, I just don't recall it as canon.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Review Serina's death scene. Also, Apollo's comments to Starbuck, re marriage, in TLL.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, c'mon, I don't want homework. What did he say? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall Apollo talking about some of the Lords of Kobol having young wives in the Living Legend, but again, that just points out that he knows the teachings.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lazy Bones.

Okay, in LPOTG, he tells Serina "You've convinced me."
The other.....nah. You'll just have to buckle down.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I do recall that. Something about Serina's spirit living on. "A spirit like yours can't die", or something like that. Is that it?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senmut wrote:
Lazy Bones.

Okay, in LPOTG, he tells Serina "You've convinced me."
The other.....nah. You'll just have to buckle down.

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I've been buckled for nigh on thirty centons, but I haven't been enlightened yet. Should I cinch the belt as well? Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a cinch to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C'mon, Sen. Feed me the other line. The one about marriage, because "you've convinced me" really seems to be more about Apollo believing that Serina's spirit and their love will never die, than about any devout following of the Book of the Word on the captain's part. They don't necessarily go hand in hand.
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